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What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:27 pm
by Edithnelson
I have a 2010 FJR. What fuel should I e using. Regular or super
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:04 am
by ts3doug
I only use super regular, except when I use regular super.
87 non ethanol has been fine for me, no pinging. And that's Iowa, if you live at any altitude 87 would definitely be fine.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:18 am
by wpbfjr
super.
save all your recipts.
it's the only way yammi will fix this f'd up motor.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:52 am
by Queensland Ken
No Ethanol fuel for my bike at all.
Bloody more and more servos selling the stuff here.
Here in Australia, I just use regular 91, as per owners manual, the fjr has only a low compression motor.
I think our octane rating system is different to the States.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:32 am
by Mr Bill
Queensland Ken wrote:No Ethanol fuel for my bike at all.
I think our octane rating system is different to the States.
4-5 points difference. Really hard to find alcohol free fuel here.
My ktm with a very small gas tank takes 91, but if I go to a pump they all have one hose for all the octanes and what happens if the hose is full of regular from the person filling up before me? I need to pump at least a gallon to make sure the 93 octane I'm buying blends to 91 in my tank from who knows what is in the hose.
You can change the timing on the ktm with a switch to run on crap gas though. You can also cut the power in half with the same switch to make it run like a bmw.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:59 pm
by Bounce
Yamaha calls for regular. It doesn't knock on regular. Use regular.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:50 pm
by Bugnatr
Bounce wrote:Yamaha calls for regular. It doesn't knock on regular. Use regular.
Regular 87 octane.
In Uturd and Colorado they have 85 regular. My high performance 04 didn't like that stuff at all, it would stumble off the line.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:59 pm
by ts3doug
I reckon in the mountains 85 would do for the feejer. Just a guess though.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:28 am
by yamafitter
Mr Bill wrote:
My ktm with a very small gas tank takes 91, but if I go to a pump they all have one hose for all the octanes and what happens if the hose is full of regular from the person filling up before me? I need to pump at least a gallon to make sure the 93 octane I'm buying blends to 91 in my tank from who knows what is in the hose.
We have one gas station in town that has pumps with dedicated high octane gas (94) hose that is separate from the others. My WR450F does suffer if you don't use the good go juice so I fill my gas can at this station whenever possible. When I rode Copper Canyon it was not always possible to buy high test so I took a can of octane booster with me and I did not run into any problems with the bike. I believe Mexico gas does not have ethanol but given that we were pumping out of barrels on occasion it was impossible to know the quality of the fuel we were using.
The FJR on the other hand runs fine on regular which is rated at 87 octane here in the Great White North. I try to run some injector cleaner every once in awhile to help keep the injectors clean.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:16 am
by Mr Bill
yamafitter wrote:Mr Bill wrote:
We have one gas station in town that has pumps with dedicated high octane gas (94) hose that is separate from the others.
I wish we had one of those! When I fill the gas can I put a half gallon in the truck first to clean out the hose. I always buy Top Tier gas so I've not used fuel treatments in a long time.
KTM gets what gas I can find and now I'm thinking it won't hurt to run some cleaner for that injector.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:24 pm
by ts3doug
Some places load up the lower selling grades tanks when prices drop, then the fuel will sit in the tank for quite a while. Try to know at least your home station well.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:18 pm
by HotRodZilla
I have run as low as 85 in the high altitudes and usually run 87. I ran some 88 in my bike earlier this year when only 86 or 85 was available.
Didn't really seem to make a difference. The owner's manual says to run 87. There's no benefit to running higher octanes. The motor is not built to run better with them.
Why is this so hard for some to understand??
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:05 pm
by ts3doug
Bigger is not always better
My wife doesn't buy it either
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:37 pm
by silverhound
Have run only regular in my '08 since it was new. Back and forth across the US ran whatever octane was the "regular". Some areas it was 85 mostly 87. No problems.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:40 pm
by Old Michael
yamafitter wrote:
I try to run some injector cleaner every once in awhile to help keep the injectors clean.
I thought the Canadian FJRs were all carbureted.
No?
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:25 am
by beemerdons
Old Michael wrote:yamafitter wrote:
I try to run some injector cleaner every once in awhile to help keep the injectors clean.
I thought the Canadian FJRs were all carbureted.
No?
I do believe you're correct on this Old Michael, I do know all of the Canadian FJR riders have gas; in yamafitter's case, garlic kielbasa gas and a lot of it!
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:51 am
by Intech
I have used 87 ocatane from whatever station is convenient. Ethanol or not. Have not had any issues for 70k miles and average 42 mpg.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:27 am
by Bounce
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Higher octane ratings correlate to higher activation energies: This being the amount of applied energy required to initiate combustion. Since higher octane fuels have higher activation energy requirements, it is less likely that a given compression will cause uncontrolled ignition, otherwise known as autoignition or detonation.
The compression ratio is directly related to power and to thermodynamic efficiency of an internal combustion engine (see Otto-cycle). Engines with higher compression ratios develop more area under the Otto-Cycle curve, thus they extract more energy from a given quantity of fuel.
During the compression stroke of an internal combustion engine, as the air / fuels mix is compressed its temperature rises (PV=nRT).
A fuel with a higher octane rating is less prone to auto-ignition and can withstand a greater rise in temperature during the compression stroke of an internal combustion engine without auto-igniting, thus allowing more power to be extracted from the Otto-Cycle.
If during the compression stroke the air / fuel mix reaches a temperature greater than the auto-ignition temperature of the fuel, the fuel self or auto-ignites. When auto-ignition occurs (before the piston reaches the top of its travel) the up-rising piston is then attempting to squeeze the rapidly heating fuel charge. This will usually destroy an engine quickly if allowed to continue.
Fuels of different octane ratings may have similar densities, but because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot develop more power.
so... as was explained (so many times in so many places) higher octane doesn't net you "more power" it simply retards early ignition. on engines designed to use higher octane (and knock sensors), they have to change their timing to prevent knocking (if a lower rated fuel is used) and, in the process, may lose some of their potential power. Engines designed for lower octane do not gain "extra special sauce" if given higher octane fuel and it might actually lead to less efficient burning and more fouling (as well as being a waste of money).
If it isn't knocking on regular, any higher octane serves no purpose, wastes money, and can cause issues.
Re: What type of fuel, super or regular
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:31 am
by wpbfjr
i have always remembered the term 'flame front' and octane related posts by 'jestal' on the fjrforum
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http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.ph ... ntry360278" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;