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When they incentives a vehicle, especially one with historically low production numbers, it's not long for the world.

bungie4 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:47 pm When they incentives a vehicle, especially one with historically low production numbers, it's not long for the world.

Then Yamaha is going out of business? It's a blanket discount on most everything they have Not just an FJR discount.

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/current-offers

The $1000 is for select models, including the 2023 FJR, but not the 2024 (that's how I saw it, could be wrong).

The sky has been falling on the end of the FJR for 15 years easy. Been a lot of wrong chickens. One year it will happen, it's been a heck of a run.

D-Eagle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:27 pm The $1000 is for select models, including the 2023 FJR, but not the 2024 (that's how I saw it, could be wrong).

The sky has been falling on the end of the FJR for 15 years easy. Been a lot of wrong chickens. One year it will happen, it's been a heck of a run.

They'll throw a V-Twin in there. You guys will love it.

Toter wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:55 pm

D-Eagle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:27 pm The $1000 is for select models, including the 2023 FJR, but not the 2024 (that's how I saw it, could be wrong).

The sky has been falling on the end of the FJR for 15 years easy. Been a lot of wrong chickens. One year it will happen, it's been a heck of a run.

They'll throw a V-Twin in there. You guys will love it.

Look at how well that worked for Yamaha when they re-released the Venture touring bike (for its third time around) - replaced a superb water-cooled 1300 cc V4 (98 hp) with an 1800 cc air-cooled v-twin making a tire-shredding 85 horsepower pushing a 957 lb package.

Yamaha has done stuff like this before. IMHO, they built a LOT of 2023 FJRs after building very little in '21 and '22 due to Covid and supply chain issues. There are still a bunch of '23s left. Some of you may remember that you could get a '23 discounted about $3,000 to jut over $15k about this time last year from several dealerships. I think they built a lot less '24s with all the '23s they had left over.

And based on all those unsold '23s sitting around, my SWAG is that unfortunately the black and gold 'final edition' FJR will be upon us sooner than later. Perhaps 2025? Or a year or two later? That information is worth exactly what you paid for it and I hope I am wrong.

The death of the R1 and the introduction of the R9, which will be used in racing as the big dog, the end isn’t far off with all the European and Japanese emissions requirements. Doubtful Japan is going to make it for 1 market too much longer.

Festus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:38 pm The death of the R1 and the introduction of the R9, which will be used in racing as the big dog, the end isn’t far off with all the European and Japanese emissions requirements. Doubtful Japan is going to make it for 1 market too much longer.

I guess the young studs just didn't inherit the motorcycle jones from previous generations. They are too busy on their gaming systems.

Nothing to do with that. The new standards won’t allow the bigger engines so everything is going to the 900cc ranges now. The MT-09 and R9 will be what Yamaha builds their future on.

Festus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:39 pm Nothing to do with that. The new standards won’t allow the bigger engines so everything is going to the 900cc ranges now. The MT-09 and R9 will be what Yamaha builds their future on.

I am not sure bigger engines has anything to do with it. Design has everything to do with meeting required emissions standards. If I am wrong I would love to read something to the contrary.

SkooterG wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:46 pm

Festus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:39 pm Nothing to do with that. The new standards won’t allow the bigger engines so everything is going to the 900cc ranges now. The MT-09 and R9 will be what Yamaha builds their future on.

I am not sure bigger engines has anything to do with it. Design has everything to do with meeting required emissions standards. If I am wrong I would love to read something to the contrary.

Sure it does. Do you think all the race bodies (MotoGP, MotoAmerica, WorldSBK, etc) would be voluntarily abandoning their core bikes that they have all the data on by choice? If they could make those bikes meet the standards, they’d be doing it. Yamaha wouldn’t be abandoning the R1 and going to the R9. They wouldn’t even have developed the R9. They’d have no reason to.

There might not be a document that says it’s because of the CC’s but the regulations are written in a way that makes it impossible for the R1 to comply. To me, that’s the same thing as saying it’s because of the engine size.

Have you seen the exhaust contraption on a R9? What a clusterf$$k that thing is. Welcome to the new era.

Festus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:15 pm

SkooterG wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:46 pm

Festus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:39 pm Nothing to do with that. The new standards won’t allow the bigger engines so everything is going to the 900cc ranges now. The MT-09 and R9 will be what Yamaha builds their future on.

I am not sure bigger engines has anything to do with it. Design has everything to do with meeting required emissions standards. If I am wrong I would love to read something to the contrary.

Sure it does. Do you think all the race bodies (MotoGP, MotoAmerica, WorldSBK, etc) would be voluntarily abandoning their core bikes that they have all the data on by choice? If they could make those bikes meet the standards, they’d be doing it. Yamaha wouldn’t be abandoning the R1 and going to the R9. They wouldn’t even have developed the R9. They’d have no reason to.

There might not be a document that says it’s because of the CC’s but the regulations are written in a way that makes it impossible for the R1 to comply. To me, that’s the same thing as saying it’s because of the engine size.

Have you seen the exhaust contraption on a R9? What a clusterf$$k that thing is. Welcome to the new era.

I am new to this racing topic but what I have just quickly read is that they are downsizing to reduce speeds and increase efficiency to make for better and more sustainable racing?

I have seen nothing about reducing engine sizes to meet emissions requirement for street bikes?

They have no choice. They are discontinuing the 1000cc bikes. Kind of hard to race a R1 as a factory bike when the manufacturer can't sell R1's any longer.

The race side of it are working with what's going to be available to the public on the street side of it. EU standards are killing big bikes in Europe. That's been known for some time. Not something I'm making up in my head.

Search Euro5+ regulations.

Just a few blips...

"Regulatory Changes: Stricter emissions regulations within the EU have made it more challenging and costly for manufacturers to produce motorcycles with larger engines. These regulations aim to reduce environmental pollution, pushing manufacturers towards producing more efficient, often smaller, or electric vehicles. The cost of compliance with these regulations can be prohibitive for larger displacement engines due to the technology required for emission control."

"The transition away from larger CC motorcycles in the EU, particularly highlighted by the discontinuation of models like Yamaha's YZF-R1 as a road bike, can be attributed to the Euro 5+ (also known as Euro 5b) emission regulations. Here's a breakdown of how these regulations are affecting motorcycle production:

Euro 5+ Regulations: These regulations were introduced to further reduce emissions, particularly focusing on catalyst sustainability and efficiency over the vehicle's lifespan. Unlike previous standards where emissions were tested with a new catalyst and then adjusted for expected degradation, Euro 5+ requires real-world longevity of the catalyst's performance. This means manufacturers have to ensure that the catalyst doesn't degrade significantly over time, even under extreme conditions like heavy track use, without significantly increasing emissions."

But my guess is you will still see large adventure BMW's, Goldwings, Harleys, as long as they sell well.

D-Eagle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:04 am But my guess is you will still see large adventure BMW's, Goldwings, Harleys, as long as they sell well.

BMW's GS1300 is E5 compliant. Note, they designed that bike to be E5 compliant and came up with a new bike, they aren't making the old bikes compliant. That's a pretty steep investment in the future and with their stronghold in the ADV world, it'll probably pay off well. Time will tell who's willing to invest in new engine design and technology to meet the standards.

I'm sure the models that are huge sellers in the USA will be maintained by Japan (and others), but those that aren't strong sellers probably aren't going to get redesigns. For example, Yamaha has put their money into the engine that's in the MT-09 and R9. That's their new design. A lot will probably be done around that engine on different bikes in the future. Ducati just announced their new 900cc engine, so it's the way it's all going, like it or not.

Left up to the morons driving all this, we'll all be riding naked 125cc bikes before it's over with. If it makes you happy, someone pencil pusher needs to crush it.

I can't find the article, but I read one that implied that the Unburned Hydrocarbon emissions from four-cylinder 1000cc + engines are difficult to reduce to European standards due to the cylinder wall area of those engines. By reducing the # of cylinders to three or two there is apparently a reduction of cylinder wall area which results in fewer unburnt hydrocarbons for the catalyst to remove. One of you engineers may be able to confirm or refute my recollection.

Just for rambling, notice anything absent? Maybe, like a "muffler"? The thing under it is the "new" thing needed instead.