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I know there are a lot of motorcyclists who believe automatic bikes (DCT way of Honda and many premium high end sport cars) are not fun. They have this opinion without having ever tried one.

Dual Clutch Technology is super exciting, comfortable, fun and so smooth. You can have both touring and sport mode.

And on top of that you can switch to entirely manual if you prefer. And manual shifting with a DCT is incomparable with a real clutch or even compared to the FJR AS model. So fast, smooth! Unbelievable.

How can we make Yamaha understand that the FJR is the bike which would benefit most from a DCT. I am hoping they do it quick before I am forced to go for the new Goldwing

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Not sure they're making FJRs anymore.

More complexity, more to breakdown. Plus, their are those that enjoy doing it themselves. Honda's showrooms are full of DCT bikes that haven't sold. I've tried the DCT, it is flipping great. Am I gonna spend an extra 1000 for the privilege. Nah.

Are there rumors the FJR might no more be manufactured? To be replaced by what? This is a great bike with little competition.

wheatonFJR wrote:Not sure they're making FJRs anymore.

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When I was between 30 and 45 years old, DCT might not have interested me had it been available. At 62 it is almost a must. Once we taste it, difficult to go without. And the older you are (there will be more like that as times goes by...) the more you could afford 1,000 dollars more for this luxury.

bungie4 wrote:More complexity, more to breakdown. Plus, their are those that enjoy doing it themselves. Honda's showrooms are full of DCT bikes that haven't sold. I've tried the DCT, it is flipping great. Am I gonna spend an extra 1000 for the privilege. Nah.

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I read on the internet, so you know it is true, or maybe in a cycle mag, that the new Goldwing DCT is outselling the manual 3 to 1. Watching the forums those that have it love it. Would like to test ride one but my local dealership had them all sold before they hit the showroom. No demo rides there.

My question is why? What purpose would it serve on a bike like the FJR? The only reason they put a 6th gear in the new models was to keep the people coming from 600s quiet.

Bounce wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:59 am My question is why? What purpose would it serve on a bike like the FJR? The only reason they put a 6th gear in the new models was to keep the people coming from 600s quiet.

I am assuming for those with arthritis or other infirmities...where constant pressure on the grip from clutch pull would be an issue. They still want the sport-touring aspect of the FJR and don't want to "graduate" to something less exciting.

Bounce wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:59 am My question is why? What purpose would it serve on a bike like the FJR? The only reason they put a 6th gear in the new models was to keep the people coming from 600s quiet.

Because it's awesome. I was hesitant getting my AE but I got a good deal on it and thought I'd give the YCCS a try. Man, I don't even care about having a clutch lever anymore I love it so much. When I take the GSX-S1000 to work, and get stuck in traffic, I very much miss my clutch leverless FJR. If a DCS is better, then I'm all for that. Right now, I don't think I could go to a regular FJR for commuting, so if Yamaha want's to separate my $$$ from me, a DCS sure would be tempting.

gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:12 am

Bounce wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:59 am My question is why? What purpose would it serve on a bike like the FJR? The only reason they put a 6th gear in the new models was to keep the people coming from 600s quiet.

Because it's awesome. I was hesitant getting my AE but I got a good deal on it and thought I'd give the YCCS a try. Man, I don't even care about having a clutch lever anymore I love it so much. When I take the GSX-S1000 to work, and get stuck in traffic, I very much miss my clutch leverless FJR. If a DCS is better, then I'm all for that. Right now, I don't think I could go to a regular FJR for commuting, so if Yamaha want's to separate my $$$ from me, a DCS sure would be tempting.

I suspect the substantial discount Yamaha gave to AE's trying to clear them out of their warehouse made the decision substantially easier. Same thing for the used market, AE's are typically less expensive than standards. The question then becomes, would you have paid a premium for the privilege prior to living with it?

Its almost impossible to get a new car with a manual transmission now. Trucks and sport cars only for the most part. For them, it was because their wasn't enough demand to warrant the manufacture of the manual any longer. This idea is tempered with the fact that by far, the vast majority of car owners are not what you would call enthusiasts as are motorcyclists (and thats why a manual is still available in sports cars).

It is the disconnect in the argument.

bungie4 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:32 am The question then becomes, would you have paid a premium for the privilege prior to living with it?

Nope. Not then, certainly didn't have the cash for a new bike, let alone one that has an expensive add on to it. I'm doing better now though and looking for hopefully a brand new FJR in a few years. I'd happily pay a little more for DCT. Would I without having owned my current bike? Probably not because I fell into the camp thinking about performance and being a true motorcyclist. That said, the more that DCT gets out there and the more people trying it, the more likely it is that thinking will go away, especially since you can't really make the performance claim anymore. I think if Honda can keep having growing success with theirs, others will jump into the water and offer it as well.

Now that I think about it a little more, I wouldn't use the the new wing as an example. Purchasers tend to be older and lets face it, you can't get much more disconnected from riding than a gold wing.

The other bit to ponder is if age is a factor, why don't we see big cruisers <cough> HD </cough> offering an auto. Lord knows, price isn't a factor.

Even sport cars (BMW, Audi, Porsche, ...) all have paddle shifts if you want to shift manually or automatic. The best of both worlds. A DCT in sport mode gives you the same sensations as as if you were shifting manually. And so much smoother!

bungie4 wrote:

gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:12 am

Bounce wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:59 am My question is why? What purpose would it serve on a bike like the FJR? The only reason they put a 6th gear in the new models was to keep the people coming from 600s quiet.

Because it's awesome. I was hesitant getting my AE but I got a good deal on it and thought I'd give the YCCS a try. Man, I don't even care about having a clutch lever anymore I love it so much. When I take the GSX-S1000 to work, and get stuck in traffic, I very much miss my clutch leverless FJR. If a DCS is better, then I'm all for that. Right now, I don't think I could go to a regular FJR for commuting, so if Yamaha want's to separate my $$$ from me, a DCS sure would be tempting.

I suspect the substantial discount Yamaha gave to AE's trying to clear them out of their warehouse made the decision substantially easier. Same thing for the used market, AE's are typically less expensive than standards. The question then becomes, would you have paid a premium for the privilege prior to living with it?

Its almost impossible to get a new car with a manual transmission now. Trucks and sport cars only for the most part. For them, it was because their wasn't enough demand to warrant the manufacture of the manual any longer. This idea is tempered with the fact that by far, the vast majority of car owners are not what you would call enthusiasts as are motorcyclists (and thats why a manual is still available in sports cars).

It is the disconnect in the argument.

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bungie4 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:30 am The other bit to ponder is if age is a factor, why don't we see big cruisers <cough> HD </cough> offering an auto. Lord knows, price isn't a factor.

1. You can't chrome DCT because it's internal and no one would see it. In fact, removing the lever leaves less chrome and something you can't wrap with leather and tassles.
2. It's not that many times you have to pull in the clutch lever to get to the bar.
3. It's new technology and unless it was developed and used in the 60's they don't want it.

I kid I kid!

I'd love a DCT, or even if Yamaha had decided to bring the AS (AE here) to North America for Gen3, I'd have bought one. I tried it, liked it although it is a poor man's system of sorts. Yamaha blew the marketing on the AE long time ago, yet DCT is all the rage...

bungie4 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:30 am Now that I think about it a little more, I wouldn't use the the new wing as an example. Purchasers tend to be older and lets face it, you can't get much more disconnected from riding than a gold wing.

How many miles do you have on Wing? Disconnected? Actually the Wing takes more concentration in cornering and slow speed maneuvers because she is a bigg'n but comfort is not always a bad thing. I guess I could say the same thing about a FJR when comparing it to a sport bike, the FJR is a 650# pig.

Back to DCT Honda now offers it on their Quad ATV's.

I'd be thrilled if Yamaha would announce ANY 2019 FJR, DCT or otherwise....

All this new technology is pushing motorcycles
further away from an average shade tree
mechanic’s skills set and abilities. More often
than not also requiring specialized tools.
I’m really not interested in a motorcycle I
can’t service or tinker with myself.
For me, that’s a major reason I have them.

Deagle10 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:20 am I read on the internet, so you know it is true, or maybe in a cycle mag, that the new Goldwing DCT is outselling the manual 3 to 1.

Well, the Gold Wing DCT has "walking speed" and a reverse gear, neither of which can be found on the base Gold Wing. The supah-dupah Gold Wing Tour has a manual transmission with reverse, but no walking speed and costs $2,000 more than the DCT model.

I've been looking hard at a Tour model, but can't justify shelling out over $27 grand when the FJR is still getting everything done for me.

Uncle Hud wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:09 pm

Deagle10 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:20 am I read on the internet, so you know it is true, or maybe in a cycle mag, that the new Goldwing DCT is outselling the manual 3 to 1.

Well, the Gold Wing DCT has "walking speed" and a reverse gear, neither of which can be found on the base Gold Wing. The supah-dupah Gold Wing Tour has a manual transmission with reverse, but no walking speed and costs $2,000 more than the DCT model.

I've been looking hard at a Tour model, but can't justify shelling out over $27 grand when the FJR is still getting everything done for me.

Yeah, the new Goldwing names get things jumbled. I'm not talking about the F6B replacement (now Goldwing), I'm talking about the Tour model myself....and would like to try it in DCT form. But totally agree with you.....hard to spend $27k for less power and when the FJR is still checking off the boxes.