Page 1 of 4
Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:50 am
by Intech
Well, got a call from my brother David last night. The 07 engine gave up the ghost at 104k. Still very young. It gave no signs of a problem. Just let go. Engine is seized. Metal visible in the oil. Looking for a new engine. Any leads would be appreciated. Other option is an 07 in NC that is available. He hasn't made up his mind yet.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:04 am
by El Toro Joe
Wow...WTF?
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:08 am
by Intech
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:17 am
by Red
Intech,
Sorry to hear that, man. 104k is too young to fail like that, I agree.
I could see that happening, if the Cam Chain Tensioner failed and the cam chain lost the valve timing. The engine would be toast in a heartbeat.
Cheapest option would be a good engine from eBay or maybe from one of the other want-ads listings. You may be able to use a newer engine, by a year or two, but the correct year would be easiest.
Good luck with the hunt.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:25 am
by Intech
Red wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:17 am
Intech,
Sorry to hear that, man. 104k is too young to fail like that, I agree.
I could see that happening, if the Cam Chain Tensioner failed and the cam chain lost the valve timing. The engine would be toast in a heartbeat.
Cheapest option would be a good engine from eBay or maybe from one of the other want-ads listings. You may be able to use a newer engine, by a year or two, but the correct year would be easiest.
Good luck with the hunt.
We will be tearing it down to find the cause. The tensioner was changed around 76k. Any Gen2 engine will work fine (non ES of course).
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:26 am
by wheatonFJR
If the cam chain tensioner failed, uh yeah.
But this is Bob's old 07 if I understand correctly...so THAT doesn't compute.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:27 am
by wheatonFJR
Intech wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:25 am
Red wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:17 am
Intech,
Sorry to hear that, man. 104k is too young to fail like that, I agree.
I could see that happening, if the Cam Chain Tensioner failed and the cam chain lost the valve timing. The engine would be toast in a heartbeat.
Cheapest option would be a good engine from eBay or maybe from one of the other want-ads listings. You may be able to use a newer engine, by a year or two, but the correct year would be easiest.
Good luck with the hunt.
We will be tearing it down to find the cause. The tensioner was changed around 76k. Any Gen2 engine will work fine (non ES of course).
No ES Gen 2 engine...did you mean Gen 2 AND Gen 3???...or did you mean no Gen2 AE and any Gen 2...
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
by 0face
That sucks balls. I say we take a ride down to Wheatie's house and steal the engine out his... You know it's never been revved more the 3500rpm.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:05 am
by wheatonFJR
0face wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
That sucks balls. I say we take a ride down to Wheatie's house and steal the engine out his... You know it's never been revved more the 3500rpm.
You must have gone to an Illinois school and can't read. I've owned a GEN 1 and a GEN 3 FJR. Let's see if you can make the next logical step and see why your felonious plan will not work.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:14 am
by FJRoss
Someone did an engine swap using an "AE" motor - on the other forum. (JamesK) Not a big deal, apparently although there was a lot of discussion. Don't rule one out if a good one shows up. Probably can swap a few bits from the dead one to make it work just fine.
http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.ph ... ?hl=engine
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:24 am
by jwilly
Intech wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:08 am
Exactly!
I guess he learned his lesson not to put the crush washer on the wrong direction!
This blows man!
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:41 am
by gixxerjasen
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:05 am
0face wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
That sucks balls. I say we take a ride down to Wheatie's house and steal the engine out his... You know it's never been revved more the 3500rpm.
You must have gone to an Illinois school and can't read. I've owned a GEN 1 and a GEN 3 FJR. Let's see if you can make the next logical step and see why your felonious plan will not work.
Just steal the whole bike, it's easier.
As far as the AE engine, can't see why it wouldn't work. The engine is the same. Converting from scratch is hard and expensive but since you'd have all the parts already it "should" be as simple of a swap as a non-ae engine.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:47 am
by wheatonFJR
gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:41 am
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:05 am
0face wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
That sucks balls. I say we take a ride down to Wheatie's house and steal the engine out his... You know it's never been revved more the 3500rpm.
You must have gone to an Illinois school and can't read. I've owned a GEN 1 and a GEN 3 FJR. Let's see if you can make the next logical step and see why your felonious plan will not work.
Just steal the whole bike, it's easier.
As far as the AE engine, can't see why it wouldn't work. The engine is the same. Converting from scratch is hard and expensive but since you'd have all the parts already it "should" be as simple of a swap as a non-ae engine.
I wouldn't. Those AEs are from left over French detuned engines...
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:06 am
by ionbeam
gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:41 am
...As far as the AE engine, can't see why it wouldn't work. The engine is the same...
Any motorcycle engine which has a shift pattern of: Neutral - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 shouldn't be trusted
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:31 am
by Bugnatr
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:05 am
0face wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
That sucks balls. I say we take a ride down to Wheatie's house and steal the engine out his... You know it's never been revved more the 3500rpm.
You must have gone to an Illinois school and can't read. I've owned a GEN 1 and a GEN 3 FJR. Let's see if you can make the next logical step and see why your felonious plan will not work.
Year smear, let's do it! We sell Wheaties motor and give the proceeds to Bob toward the replacement motor.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:48 am
by gixxerjasen
ionbeam wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:06 am
gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:41 am
...As far as the AE engine, can't see why it wouldn't work. The engine is the same...
Any motorcycle engine which has a shift pattern of: Neutral - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 shouldn't be trusted
That's only the electronic part, right?
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:50 am
by FJRoss
Only the shift drum dictates the shifting order based on the thread I referenced. Still, a good "A" model engine is the preferred choice.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:05 pm
by Intech
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:27 am
Intech wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:25 am
Red wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:17 am
Intech,
Sorry to hear that, man. 104k is too young to fail like that, I agree.
I could see that happening, if the Cam Chain Tensioner failed and the cam chain lost the valve timing. The engine would be toast in a heartbeat.
Cheapest option would be a good engine from eBay or maybe from one of the other want-ads listings. You may be able to use a newer engine, by a year or two, but the correct year would be easiest.
Good luck with the hunt.
We will be tearing it down to find the cause. The tensioner was changed around 76k. Any Gen2 engine will work fine (non ES of course).
No ES Gen 2 engine...did you mean Gen 2 AND Gen 3???...or did you mean no Gen2 AE and any Gen 2...
Yes. that's what I meant!
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:12 pm
by Intech
I can't stand it! I will be heading up there tomorrow to tear it apart.
Re: Engine grenaded...
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:19 pm
by BruinFJRguy
Sorry to hear about the bro's misfortune with the grenading.
Cam chain tensioner replaced at 76k? Is that normal? Come to think of it, maybe the 07/08 had a weak cam chain tensioner and lots of people swapped them?
Do the later models need a CCT so soon?