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admorelighting lightbar and givi-box lights
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With distracted driving increasing, being seen is more important than ever. My Givi E52 box's built-in incandescent lights, never terribly bright, finally died. Even while lane-splitting, I am always nervous about some texting twit rear-ending me, so replacing the Givi brake lights was a priority. I could have gotten a direct-replacement kit for the original Givi lighting (around $60 from RevZilla or Twisted Throttle), but I was interested in the AdmoreLighting LED kit for the Givi http://www.admorelighting.com. Though more expensive ($79), the Admore LEDs are much brighter than the Givi incandescents, and the E52-TM kit, which also provides running lights, is a direct replacement for the Givi incandescent lights, so no rewiring. There's also an E52-TS model with turn signals, although that's way more expensive ($154 for the FJR) and a more-complicated install. Because I was thinking about adding the Admore Smart Lightbar, a high-tech LED bar that flashes on deceleration and also contains a flashing strobe, progressive turn signals, and running lights, I thought the combination of the Givi box's flashing red turn signals, the lightbar's progressive, yellow turn signlals, and the FJR's flashing yellow turn signals might be overkill and distracting for drivers behind me, thus defeating my purpose. Although spendy at $199 (plus an added $29 for the FJR-specific adapter that, although not strictly necessary, makes the install a whole lot easier), I thought it worth it for the added visibility. Note that the lightbar is user configurable. The kit comes with a USB cable that plugs into a port on the lightbar and, via a downloadable configuration utility, allows the user to set, among other features, brightness and brake-modulation.
Here's what the rear end looks like now with the Admore LEDs:
Note that the brake and running lights, although they look yellowish in the photo, are actually bright red in person. The progressive turn signals (they move left or right in three stages) on the lightbar (not shown) are bright yellow.
The Admore hardware is well made, but you'll be on your own a lot during the install because the written instructions are limited and murky. For example, on the Givi box lights, there's an instruction that if the lights don't work at first, you should "reverse" the wiring. When only one side of my my new Givi box LEDs worked at first, I followed the directions and reversed the wiring, moving the left wiring to the right and vice-versa. The result was that now only the other side worked. The original Givi install has a cross-cable that carries current from one bank of lights to the other. Polarity doesn't matter so much with incandescent lights, but it's everything to LEDs, so on a whim I turned one end of the cross cable upside-down, and upon connection both banks of LEDs lit up. "Turn upside-down" is not, to me, the same as "reverse."
The Admore instructions aren't inaccurate, per se, just limited and vague. Another example is the instruction that the Yamaha brake-light connector can be found behind the left side cover. That's a bit like saying that the fuel injectors are under the fuel tank. Yes they are, but there are things in between. Removing my 2006 AE's left-side cover reveals a hydraulic oil container (for the auto-clutch?) that also has to be removed to then get access to a calcified wire bundle buried deep within which is the Yamaha connector to which the Admore FJR-specific adapter connects.
Here's a picture of the lightbar from the Admore site:
Here's a picture of the Admore Givi lights and Admore lightbar. Here, though they look yellow, they are actually bright red. Turn signals and flashers are bright yellow:
The lightbar is a marvel. It flashes bright red on decelartion and braking, and there is a bright, white, three-LED strobe incorporated that flashes as well. Very attention-getting. The turn signals are bright yellow and move progressively, in three sections, toward whichever side you've flicked the turn-signal button. The whole bar flashed bright yellow when you turn on the flashers.
Admore is a small, Canadian company; you can't blame them for wanting to save the cost of printing and distributing pages of instructions, instead putting supplemental instructions on the web, but unfortunately a new web site isn't yet completely set up, so I couldn't find those.
Their customer service is excellent, though, and via toll-free phone calls, emails, and persistence I was able to work through the issues and get both products installed. I am happy with the results.
One flat note was the downloadable, lightbar-configuration software: it didn't automatically load the lightbar driver on my Windows 7 laptop. Being a computer tech, I was able to figure out how to manually load the driver, but I think some people might find that daunting. There are supplemental instructions available on the web site that provide instructions for manually loading the driver. Once the driver was loaded, I easily connected to the lightbar and changed the default modulation for the brake lights to four flashes.
Another flat note was the firmware update software/process. To update the firmware, you need to hold a supplied, round, rare-earth magnet to a corresponding circle on the back of the lightbar. This puts the lightbar into programming mode, after which you remove the magnet. Once the lightbar is mounted, though, you can't see where to hold the magnet. (PLEASE NOTE: This is all moot because there is as yet no firmware update available.) Admore says that a future firmware update will obviate the need for the magnet, but I can't imagine that a year from now, or even six months, I'll be able to find the rare-earth magnet that will allow me to install the firmware that makes the rare-earth magnet unnecessary.
Once these high-quality products are installed, though, these issues seem minor, and the added visibility will keep me and my pillion safer.
PS FROM ADMORE: "We are working on a new release of the firmware which will have some added functionality and will eliminate the need for the magnet to do firmware upgrades. We expect to have the new firmware available by the end of the month."
With distracted driving increasing, being seen is more important than ever. My Givi E52 box's built-in incandescent lights, never terribly bright, finally died. Even while lane-splitting, I am always nervous about some texting twit rear-ending me, so replacing the Givi brake lights was a priority. I could have gotten a direct-replacement kit for the original Givi lighting (around $60 from RevZilla or Twisted Throttle), but I was interested in the AdmoreLighting LED kit for the Givi http://www.admorelighting.com. Though more expensive ($79), the Admore LEDs are much brighter than the Givi incandescents, and the E52-TM kit, which also provides running lights, is a direct replacement for the Givi incandescent lights, so no rewiring. There's also an E52-TS model with turn signals, although that's way more expensive ($154 for the FJR) and a more-complicated install. Because I was thinking about adding the Admore Smart Lightbar, a high-tech LED bar that flashes on deceleration and also contains a flashing strobe, progressive turn signals, and running lights, I thought the combination of the Givi box's flashing red turn signals, the lightbar's progressive, yellow turn signlals, and the FJR's flashing yellow turn signals might be overkill and distracting for drivers behind me, thus defeating my purpose. Although spendy at $199 (plus an added $29 for the FJR-specific adapter that, although not strictly necessary, makes the install a whole lot easier), I thought it worth it for the added visibility. Note that the lightbar is user configurable. The kit comes with a USB cable that plugs into a port on the lightbar and, via a downloadable configuration utility, allows the user to set, among other features, brightness and brake-modulation.
Here's what the rear end looks like now with the Admore LEDs:
Note that the brake and running lights, although they look yellowish in the photo, are actually bright red in person. The progressive turn signals (they move left or right in three stages) on the lightbar (not shown) are bright yellow.
The Admore hardware is well made, but you'll be on your own a lot during the install because the written instructions are limited and murky. For example, on the Givi box lights, there's an instruction that if the lights don't work at first, you should "reverse" the wiring. When only one side of my my new Givi box LEDs worked at first, I followed the directions and reversed the wiring, moving the left wiring to the right and vice-versa. The result was that now only the other side worked. The original Givi install has a cross-cable that carries current from one bank of lights to the other. Polarity doesn't matter so much with incandescent lights, but it's everything to LEDs, so on a whim I turned one end of the cross cable upside-down, and upon connection both banks of LEDs lit up. "Turn upside-down" is not, to me, the same as "reverse."
The Admore instructions aren't inaccurate, per se, just limited and vague. Another example is the instruction that the Yamaha brake-light connector can be found behind the left side cover. That's a bit like saying that the fuel injectors are under the fuel tank. Yes they are, but there are things in between. Removing my 2006 AE's left-side cover reveals a hydraulic oil container (for the auto-clutch?) that also has to be removed to then get access to a calcified wire bundle buried deep within which is the Yamaha connector to which the Admore FJR-specific adapter connects.
Here's a picture of the lightbar from the Admore site:
Here's a picture of the Admore Givi lights and Admore lightbar. Here, though they look yellow, they are actually bright red. Turn signals and flashers are bright yellow:
The lightbar is a marvel. It flashes bright red on decelartion and braking, and there is a bright, white, three-LED strobe incorporated that flashes as well. Very attention-getting. The turn signals are bright yellow and move progressively, in three sections, toward whichever side you've flicked the turn-signal button. The whole bar flashed bright yellow when you turn on the flashers.
Admore is a small, Canadian company; you can't blame them for wanting to save the cost of printing and distributing pages of instructions, instead putting supplemental instructions on the web, but unfortunately a new web site isn't yet completely set up, so I couldn't find those.
Their customer service is excellent, though, and via toll-free phone calls, emails, and persistence I was able to work through the issues and get both products installed. I am happy with the results.
One flat note was the downloadable, lightbar-configuration software: it didn't automatically load the lightbar driver on my Windows 7 laptop. Being a computer tech, I was able to figure out how to manually load the driver, but I think some people might find that daunting. There are supplemental instructions available on the web site that provide instructions for manually loading the driver. Once the driver was loaded, I easily connected to the lightbar and changed the default modulation for the brake lights to four flashes.
Another flat note was the firmware update software/process. To update the firmware, you need to hold a supplied, round, rare-earth magnet to a corresponding circle on the back of the lightbar. This puts the lightbar into programming mode, after which you remove the magnet. Once the lightbar is mounted, though, you can't see where to hold the magnet. (PLEASE NOTE: This is all moot because there is as yet no firmware update available.) Admore says that a future firmware update will obviate the need for the magnet, but I can't imagine that a year from now, or even six months, I'll be able to find the rare-earth magnet that will allow me to install the firmware that makes the rare-earth magnet unnecessary.
Once these high-quality products are installed, though, these issues seem minor, and the added visibility will keep me and my pillion safer.
PS FROM ADMORE: "We are working on a new release of the firmware which will have some added functionality and will eliminate the need for the magnet to do firmware upgrades. We expect to have the new firmware available by the end of the month."
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Thank you for taking the time to write this up. The E52 kit seems to be a LOT brighter than what they offer for the V46 top box (which is what I have). From your comments (rare earth magnet???), it seems like one has to be a rocket scientist to do this.
Also, and just curious, how much space within the box does this take up? Or is it just a wire that is routed through the box? How did you wire it to your bike? Did you have to splice or cut wires for the bike's harness to do this?
Also, and just curious, how much space within the box does this take up? Or is it just a wire that is routed through the box? How did you wire it to your bike? Did you have to splice or cut wires for the bike's harness to do this?
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I also thank you for this information.
The day after SFO Pop and I were discussing the lighting in Givi boxes for Doug36584 and Poolboytoo. My laziness is really the only thing keeping me from doing this.
The day after SFO Pop and I were discussing the lighting in Givi boxes for Doug36584 and Poolboytoo. My laziness is really the only thing keeping me from doing this.
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Yes, it's way brighter than the Givi-su00lied lights, and no, you don't have to be a rocket scientist (or I wouldn't have been able to do it). I'm sorry I gave that impression. I just wanted anyone considering this to not expect it to be a 10-minute job. Everything comes clear if you stare at the bike long enough (grasshopper).Hppants wrote:Thank you for taking the time to write this up. The E52 kit seems to be a LOT brighter than what they offer for the V46 top box (which is what I have). From your comments (rare earth magnet???), it seems like one has to be a rocket scientist to do this.
A rare-earth magnet is just a type of magnet, very strong for its size, and it's unnecessary to update the firmware to make all this work. Actually there's no firmware update available anyway. I'm just OCD and have to check out everything. If you already have lights in your Givi box, then the Admore Givi replacement kit is a direct replacement for the Givi lights themselves, so no wiring or rewiring. If you want to go with the more-elaborate unit, then yes, you will need to do some wiring.
Zero. The whole kit fits within cutouts and wiring paths already present in the box. I didn't have to do any rewiring for the Givi box at all because I had long ago (2006) wired for the original Givi box lights. If you don't have lights, then you'll need to tap into two wires (three if you want running lights) in a loom that is easily accessible under the rear seat. Where are you? If you're near me (Los Angeles), I'd be glad to help. Once you've done it once, it's easy. Take maybe an hour total.Hppants wrote:Also, and just curious, how much space within the box does this take up? Or is it just a wire that is routed through the box? How did you wire it to your bike? Did you have to splice or cut wires for the bike's harness to do this?
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It makes a huge difference--it lights up the whole back of the bike and makes it look like a much bigger object.Redfish wrote:I also thank you for this information.
The day after SFO Pop and I were discussing the lighting in Givi boxes for Doug36584 and Poolboytoo. My laziness is really the only thing keeping me from doing this.
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Getting the kit for my V47 for Xmas. ..
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FIFYEl Toro Joe wrote:Getting the kit for Redfish's V47 for Xmas. ..
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I hope you like it as much as I like mine. Is the V47 already wired for lights? And are you getting the brake/running light kit only, or the kit with turn signals?Redfish wrote:FIFYEl Toro Joe wrote:Getting the kit for Redfish's V47 for Xmas. ..
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No the Givi V47 is not wired for lights, but it is set up for the LED kit...as far as I know the kit has the brake, running lights and turn signals, and a plug and play adapter.palerider wrote:I hope you like it as much as I like mine. Is the V47 already wired for lights? And are you getting the brake/running light kit only, or the kit with turn signals?Redfish wrote:FIFYEl Toro Joe wrote:Getting the kit for Redfish's V47 for Xmas. ..
This is the kit for the 2016 and V47.
https://www.admorelighting.com/product/ledv47-t-ts/
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I see the picture that depicts the wiring harness. Can somebody tell me more about how these kits wire into the bike? I absolutely do NOT want to start destroying my factory wiring harness. The kit picture looks like they have adaptors that "plug and play", but I'd like to know more about it.
Also when I tour, the top box basically holds the kitchen. Often when I get where I'm going, if I'm staying a few nights, I leave the kitchen at the camp/motel. How does removing/installing the top box get affected electrically with this kit? What does that look like?
Also when I tour, the top box basically holds the kitchen. Often when I get where I'm going, if I'm staying a few nights, I leave the kitchen at the camp/motel. How does removing/installing the top box get affected electrically with this kit? What does that look like?
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If you don't want to tap into your bike's wiring, Admore has a harness that uses the OEM connectors to essentially tap in. The connector is located under the left side panel just aft of the air cleaner. An alternate harness can be bought from Scorpio alarms who tap in there also. Or you can buy the connectors and make your own quite easily.
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hppants as I understand it there is a plug that fits on the plastic base and the matching plug in the bottom of the Givi box. They mate up when the box is snapped into place.
As Pop and I discussed it, we would even be willing to install (discretely) a pigtail similar to the flat plug on a trailer wiring harness.
As Pop and I discussed it, we would even be willing to install (discretely) a pigtail similar to the flat plug on a trailer wiring harness.
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Pants, you can contact Admore, they will be happy to answer your questions. The adapter is "plug and play" , no need to splice or cut into any wires. I have not looked at the instructions yet ...since it is a Xmas gift from my wife, but from what I understand, they are quite thorough and include pictures.
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Pants, just get the "plug n play" adapter Admore offers. I installed this first on my '07 and then moved it to my '15 (E55 top box); it really is just plug 'n play. The adapter goes in between the OEM plugs in the wire loom. THERE IS NO CUTTING or SPLICING...just unplug the OEM harness aft of the air inlet, plug in the Admore adapter, plug the other side of the OEM plug into the adapter; you're done. The plug 'n play kit has a gang bar arrangement you place under the pillion (or wherever you find space) and that's where you bring your Admore lighting kit wires to...slip each wire into its corresponding slot (color coded), tighten the connector's screws, and secure the whole thing as suits your fancy. The other side of the kit terminates in a screw-on plug that mates with the wires coming from inside the topbox...you do have to drill a hole in your topbox (Admore supplies the proper drill bit). Admore's way of connecting is not similar to the Givi contact plate in any way...Admore is a locked-in connection, not one that relies on simple contact.
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I can't speak to the anything but my setup, an older Givi E52 with built-in lights. I did have to tap into the wiring harness. You have to slit open the plastic sheath, pull the correct-color wire up a little, tap into it, then cover it with duct tape. It's kind of minimal surgery, but it is surgery. The sheath is easily accessible under the rear seat. it was just two wires, and in a way that was easier than tracking down the Yamaha connector. For that you have to pull the side cover, loosen the air cleaner, then dig out the Yama-harness.
For removing the top box, the Givi setup is simple. There's a connector on the base that matches to a connector on the box. When the box is mounted on the bike, the two connectors mate. When the box lifts off, the connectors separate. It's a simple pressure fit, no intervention required, and it's worked well for 10 years.
For removing the top box, the Givi setup is simple. There's a connector on the base that matches to a connector on the box. When the box is mounted on the bike, the two connectors mate. When the box lifts off, the connectors separate. It's a simple pressure fit, no intervention required, and it's worked well for 10 years.
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David at Admore says that FJRiders forum members will get a 5% discount on individual purchases, so you can save a few bucks now. If there are eight orders from FJRiders forum, the discount will increase to 10%.Redfish wrote:I also thank you for this information.
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This is helpful information. I'm going to look at it closer this weekend. Thanks very much to all.
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I have that kit in my Givi and extrememarine does as well.
I love mine.
It ain't rocket surgery to install - I installed mine at a Tech Day in Owosso several years back. I did not use the harness adapter for this set, but I do have the Admore harness adapter being used for the lights on my side cases.
And, yah, Admore's customer service is fantastic. I had an issue with my side case lights and they took care of me.
I love mine.
It ain't rocket surgery to install - I installed mine at a Tech Day in Owosso several years back. I did not use the harness adapter for this set, but I do have the Admore harness adapter being used for the lights on my side cases.
And, yah, Admore's customer service is fantastic. I had an issue with my side case lights and they took care of me.
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Which lights do you have on your side cases?BikerGeek wrote:I have that kit in my Givi and extrememarine does as well.
I love mine.
It ain't rocket surgery to install - I installed mine at a Tech Day in Owosso several years back. I did not use the harness adapter for this set, but I do have the Admore harness adapter being used for the lights on my side cases.
And, yah, Admore's customer service is fantastic. I had an issue with my side case lights and they took care of me.
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palerider wrote:Which lights do you have on your side cases?BikerGeek wrote:I have that kit in my Givi and extrememarine does as well.
I love mine.
It ain't rocket surgery to install - I installed mine at a Tech Day in Owosso several years back. I did not use the harness adapter for this set, but I do have the Admore harness adapter being used for the lights on my side cases.
And, yah, Admore's customer service is fantastic. I had an issue with my side case lights and they took care of me.
I have the universal kit:
https://www.admorelighting.com/product/ ... case-4014/
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