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zip on tires

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:43 pm
by blrfjr
Someone posted a youtube vid on here a while back showing how to mount tires on your bike using zip ties. Since i took advantage of a great sale that Iron Pony had on the BT-023, I thought I would give it a try. Well, it worked! Im sure it would have worked even better on a softer tire like a PR2 but I was very pleased with the results. I will be doing this again. :D

As you can see in this pic, these tires are kinda stiff. I added more zip ties to try and make the tire round again.
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It took a little muscle to get it on the rim but the zips help a bunch!
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My GS buddy tried to use this method to mount a set of torrences on his bike but those tires were way to stiff and the zip ties just kepy breaking. :evil:

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:11 am
by Intech
After removing the T30 myself I decided that if I use that tire again I will take it to the shop. Only $20. Well worth it. The bead on those things is HARD! I actually bent my new mojolever getting it off.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:38 am
by clocklaw
Intech wrote:After removing the T30 myself I decided that if I use that tire again I will take it to the shop. Only $20. Well worth it. The bead on those things is HARD! I actually bent my new mojolever getting it off.
I'm glad you posted this....I'm mounting up a set this weekend....or should I say that Cool Springs Powersports is :D

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:07 am
by Intech
clocklaw wrote:
Intech wrote:After removing the T30 myself I decided that if I use that tire again I will take it to the shop. Only $20. Well worth it. The bead on those things is HARD! I actually bent my new mojolever getting it off.
I'm glad you posted this....I'm mounting up a set this weekend....or should I say that Cool Springs Powersports is :D
Actually, Mounting them is not the bad part. Getting the rear off is the issue. The front tires are, of course, smaller and more pliable. The other difference is the front rim offers more slack. With the limited space and the rigid bead it was tough just getting the lever under the bead.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:29 am
by Old Guy
Intech wrote:After removing the T30 myself I decided that if I use that tire again I will take it to the shop. Only $20. Well worth it. The bead on those things is HARD! I actually bent my new mojolever getting it off.
The manufacturer of the mojolever gave me a new dismount end and harder bolt when I bent mine on my Goldwing rear. I contacted about buying one, but he acknowledged that the bolt used in the earlier versions of the tool was too soft for some rears and gave it to me. We have mounted a few Goldwing rears at my house with no problems. After those tires, the T30s were a snap :D

You have to be careful not to take too big a bite. The little knob at the dismount end needs to be just under the bead, and the lever needs to be pulled up until you're not levering any more over the rim than you have to. Making sure of that, the dismount is the easy part on everything I've tried, including those @#$%^& Goldwing tires ;)

Edit: for afterthought
You also need to be very sure the bead on the opposite side is down in the wheel channel. I use a couple of scrap pieces of 1 x 2 wedged in there just to hold it down.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:47 pm
by Intech
Old Guy wrote:
Intech wrote:After removing the T30 myself I decided that if I use that tire again I will take it to the shop. Only $20. Well worth it. The bead on those things is HARD! I actually bent my new mojolever getting it off.
The manufacturer of the mojolever gave me a new dismount end and harder bolt when I bent mine on my Goldwing rear. I contacted about buying one, but he acknowledged that the bolt used in the earlier versions of the tool was too soft for some rears and gave it to me. We have mounted a few Goldwing rears at my house with no problems. After those tires, the T30s were a snap :D

You have to be careful not to take too big a bite. The little knob at the dismount end needs to be just under the bead, and the lever needs to be pulled up until you're not levering any more over the rim than you have to. Making sure of that, the dismount is the easy part on everything I've tried, including those @#$%^& Goldwing tires ;)

Edit: for afterthought
You also need to be very sure the bead on the opposite side is down in the wheel channel. I use a couple of scrap pieces of 1 x 2 wedged in there just to hold it down.
That is exactly how I did it and still put a slight bend in the lever end.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:15 pm
by Old Guy
Intech wrote:
Old Guy wrote:
Intech wrote:After removing the T30 myself I decided that if I use that tire again I will take it to the shop. Only $20. Well worth it. The bead on those things is HARD! I actually bent my new mojolever getting it off.
The manufacturer of the mojolever gave me a new dismount end and harder bolt when I bent mine on my Goldwing rear. I contacted about buying one, but he acknowledged that the bolt used in the earlier versions of the tool was too soft for some rears and gave it to me. We have mounted a few Goldwing rears at my house with no problems. After those tires, the T30s were a snap :D

You have to be careful not to take too big a bite. The little knob at the dismount end needs to be just under the bead, and the lever needs to be pulled up until you're not levering any more over the rim than you have to. Making sure of that, the dismount is the easy part on everything I've tried, including those @#$%^& Goldwing tires ;)

Edit: for afterthought
You also need to be very sure the bead on the opposite side is down in the wheel channel. I use a couple of scrap pieces of 1 x 2 wedged in there just to hold it down.
That is exactly how I did it and still put a slight bend in the lever end.
Sounds like you may have the older, softer bolt. As I said, with the new one even the Goldwing tires -- the worst I've ever attempted -- don't phase it.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:19 pm
by Name Etc.
I nearly died putting on my T30s. nomar bar sucked at this and I ended up with my entire self hanging on some spoon bars. to get it on there. but I did get it on. motion pro spoon set. Mount bar couldn't touch it.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:22 pm
by Old Guy
Name Etc. wrote:I nearly died putting on my T30s. nomar bar sucked at this and I ended up with my entire self hanging on some spoon bars. to get it on there. but I did get it on. motion pro spoon set. Mount bar couldn't touch it.
It took me a few tries to work out how the MojoLever worked for mounting, but once I worked it out it's been great. The T30s were quite easy. Maybe I'll do a video next time.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:28 pm
by Intech
Old Guy wrote:
Sounds like you may have the older, softer bolt. As I said, with the new one even the Goldwing tires -- the worst I've ever attempted -- don't phase it.
I just bought the thing a couple weeks ago. Has he changed since then? I'll send him an email and picture.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:50 pm
by Old Guy
Intech wrote:
Old Guy wrote:
Sounds like you may have the older, softer bolt. As I said, with the new one even the Goldwing tires -- the worst I've ever attempted -- don't phase it.
I just bought the thing a couple weeks ago. Has he changed since then? I'll send him an email and picture.
No. It's been sometime since he replaced mine. FWIW, mine was bent but still worked fine. I just figured it'd eventually break, so I asked him about buying a new end.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:39 pm
by Intech
Old Guy wrote:
Intech wrote:
Old Guy wrote:
Sounds like you may have the older, softer bolt. As I said, with the new one even the Goldwing tires -- the worst I've ever attempted -- don't phase it.
I just bought the thing a couple weeks ago. Has he changed since then? I'll send him an email and picture.
No. It's been sometime since he replaced mine. FWIW, mine was bent but still worked fine. I just figured it'd eventually break, so I asked him about buying a new end.
Cool. Thanks for the feedback.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:43 am
by Mattthehoople
I think in an emergency, this method would work. But for some reason, I'm a little worried that collapsing the tire in that manor would result in a misshapen core, seeing as though these are radial tires. Think I'd be less worried of it were a bias ply. Am I overthinking this?

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Re: zip on tires

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:44 am
by Old Guy
Mattthehoople wrote:I think in an emergency, this method would work. But for some reason, I'm a little worried that collapsing the tire in that manor would result in a misshapen core, seeing as though these are radial tires. Think I'd be less worried of it were a bias ply. Am I overthinking this?

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I zip-tied one 120/70 - 17 RoadSmart on the front of my ZRX, and it shook so bad trying to ride it that I took it back off. When I removed it, it still looked deformed like the tire in the opening post here. I can't prove it, but I think I damaged that tire just as you suggested. I have seen it done without damaging the tire, but I'll stick with the MojoLever.

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:38 am
by Mattthehoople
Interesting. If I were riding a dirt bike, like an Honda XL250, Yamaha TT, IT, whatever, I'd be less worried.

But the speeds at which I (sometimes, rarely though <braces for lightening strike>) travel this shake concerns me to a great deal.

But I may be overthinking it. .

Re: zip on tires

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:39 am
by Old Guy
Mattthehoople wrote:Interesting. If I were riding a dirt bike, like an Honda XL250, Yamaha TT, IT, whatever, I'd be less worried.

But the speeds at which I (sometimes, rarely though <braces for lightening strike>) travel this shake concerns me to a great deal.

But I may be overthinking it. .
I don't think you are. When I zipped mine down it looked like the one in the first post. I tried pressing the bead off and reseating it, rebalancing it, etc. But at 70+ it shook so hard it'd blur my instruments, which are rubber-mounted analog on the ZRX.

After removing it I could still see the deformation. I could be completely wrong about the damage, and one time is a lousy sample. But I won't be doing it again.