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Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:45 am
by N4HHE
Spininprop wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:27 pm
Yep, Road 5 are great, but totally agree about scallop and I have used increments from 38 to 42 front psi but could not find a pressure that they will not cup, scallop, or otherwise deform. But they are great in the dry or wet. So much so, ill go with them or road 6 when i need to replace the OEM junk. What I did find out was a trip to a few hours of warm twisty running would reshape them to the point they would not vibrate under braking.
Motorcycle tires will scallop no matter what tire pressure is used. They have to scallop because the tire profile is rounded. The distance from the outer edges of the contact patch is closer to the axle than the tread at the center of the contact patch. Yeah, when the tire is deformed carrying mass on the contact patch the distance to the axle is the same but the circumference of the tire at those points is not. Therefore for the distance the motorcycle travels parts of the tread go farther, parts go shorter. The contact patch must scrub for the wheel to roll.
When the contact patch scrubs tread blocks stretch and compresses. This is what causes the scalloping/feathering wear which repeats with the tread pattern. It is an art for the designer to minimize the appearance of scalloping with tread and carcass design.
This scrubbing affects the way the tire handles. New front tire feels neutral but near end of life it has to be forced into turns, or wants to fall into turns at low speed, different at high speed? Is all in how the tread developed its scallops.
Having said all that, a Bridgestone T31GT usually running 39 PSI is the only FJR front tire which I thought rode as good at 9500 miles as it did new. Went through a couple T30 Evo not-GT after that and didn't get 5000 miles from either and was glad to replace then. Cant get T31GT so I mounted a T32GT. So far so good.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:38 am
by rbentnail
Went for a relaxed post-hurricane ride. Some friends' communities got pummeled while we were relatively unscathed. I have mostly leaves and pine needles with 1 tree down but it fell the other way, away from everything, into the woods. It was a cooler ride, 62-ish and heavily clouded so no chance of warming up but a good ride none the less.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:08 am
by Hppants
N4HHE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:45 am
Spininprop wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:27 pm
Yep, Road 5 are great, but totally agree about scallop and I have used increments from 38 to 42 front psi but could not find a pressure that they will not cup, scallop, or otherwise deform. But they are great in the dry or wet. So much so, ill go with them or road 6 when i need to replace the OEM junk. What I did find out was a trip to a few hours of warm twisty running would reshape them to the point they would not vibrate under braking.
Motorcycle tires will scallop no matter what tire pressure is used. They have to scallop because the tire profile is rounded. The distance from the outer edges of the contact patch is closer to the axle than the tread at the center of the contact patch. Yeah, when the tire is deformed carrying mass on the contact patch the distance to the axle is the same but the circumference of the tire at those points is not. Therefore for the distance the motorcycle travels parts of the tread go farther, parts go shorter. The contact patch must scrub for the wheel to roll.
When the contact patch scrubs tread blocks stretch and compresses. This is what causes the scalloping/feathering wear which repeats with the tread pattern. It is an art for the designer to minimize the appearance of scalloping with tread and carcass design.
This scrubbing affects the way the tire handles. New front tire feels neutral but near end of life it has to be forced into turns, or wants to fall into turns at low speed, different at high speed? Is all in how the tread developed its scallops.
Having said all that, a Bridgestone T31GT usually running 39 PSI is the only FJR front tire which I thought rode as good at 9500 miles as it did new. Went through a couple T30 Evo not-GT after that and didn't get 5000 miles from either and was glad to replace then. Cant get T31GT so I mounted a T32GT. So far so good.
While I understand the science behind this, in practicality, I disagree. On my bike, on the roads I ride, no matter how hard I ride them, or how hard I load them, the Dunlop Roadsmart 3 front tire set dutifully at 40 psi cold, will hold its original shape (in so far as it can be measured, observed, or felt) until the cords start showing. Now, that (the cords showing) will start happening LONG before 9,500 miles for me (about 6,500), but the tire will not scallop. I suspect the stiff sidewalls have something to do with it, but cannot state empirically so.
Every single Michelin I've tired (PR2, PR3, PR4, PR4GT, Road 5, Road 5GT) will eventually scallop under the same conditions. The PR2 was the best, and without a shadow of a doubt, the Road 5 is the absolute worst.
The OEM Bridgestone (B023, I believe) started scalloping on the ride home from the dealer, me things. What a POS that tire is.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:02 pm
by N4HHE
Hppants wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:08 am
While I understand the science behind this, in practicality, I disagree. On my bike, on the roads I ride, no matter how hard I ride them, or how hard I load them, the Dunlop Roadsmart 3 front tire set dutifully at 40 psi cold, will hold its original shape (in so far as it can be measured, observed, or felt) until the cords start showing. Now, that (the cords showing) will start happening LONG before 9,500 miles for me (about 6,500), but the tire will not scallop. I suspect the stiff sidewalls have something to do with it, but cannot state empirically so.
I think if you run your hand over the tread you will feel the scalloping that can't be seen.
Shinko 016 is a heavy tire with very thick sidewalls. At any pressure it scallops like a bucket of ice cream on the self-serve buffet bar.
T30's are nothing to scoff at for thick sidewalls either, but they too scallop.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:18 pm
by bill lumberg
Put new tires on. It was not pleasant.
Of note- the top left front caliper bolt was galled beyond belief for a ‘22.
I noticed one bolt from the front fender so loose it was in danger of falling out. The other three were loose as well, just not visibly so.
The 24 hour recheck revealed that I failed to retighten the rear axle pinch bolt.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:29 pm
by Spininprop
Waxed and added tank slapper film to the head lights. More film to add later. And thanks to lumberg, I'm checking my bolts torque... :>)
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:36 pm
by wheatonFJR
bill lumberg wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:18 pm
Put new tires on. It was not pleasant.
Of note- the top left front caliper bolt was galled beyond belief for a ‘22.
I noticed one bolt from the front fender so loose it was in danger of falling out. The other three were loose as well, just not visibly so.
The 24 hour recheck revealed that I failed to retighten the rear axle pinch bolt.
It a good thing that you did your own work and found those things. Doing your own work, best practice from someone who knows diddly -0 try to do things in the same order and same way every time. It becomes muscle memory. 2nd- don't be doing stuff last minute before your two week trip or IBR run.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:40 pm
by YummYam
Finally finished getting the new battery installed. What’s the big deal about installing a new battery in a Gen II, I hear you say. Well, not much usually, having personally done it at least three times to date. But problems occur if, like stoopid dumbass me, you order the wrong damn battery from that well known online South American river company and then find it is non returnable, so potentially some $90 plus down the shitter right there.
Replacement battery was around quarter inch wider than standard with no cutaway in the top for the two part clamp assembly which therefore can’t be used.
Anyroadup, with the help of four cable ties, a loop of steel rod and a hell of a lot of Anglo Saxon cuss words, job is done and lesson is learned.
Sometimes, when they say, ‘this does not fit 2007 FJR 1300’, they’re right!
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:42 pm
by raYzerman
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:36 pm
bill lumberg wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:18 pm
Put new tires on. It was not pleasant.
Of note- the top left front caliper bolt was galled beyond belief for a ‘22.
I noticed one bolt from the front fender so loose it was in danger of falling out. The other three were loose as well, just not visibly so.
The 24 hour recheck revealed that I failed to retighten the rear axle pinch bolt.
It a good thing that you did your own work and found those things. Doing your own work, best practice from someone who knows diddly -0 try to do things in the same order and same way every time. It becomes muscle memory. 2nd- don't be doing stuff last minute before your two week trip or IBR run.
Complain to your dealer..... his "tech" installed all that stuff when they got the bike out of the crate... and the windshield, mirrors and dash trim. Betcha your mirror nuts are loose (under the dash trim).
Is the galling bad enough to need a new caliper?
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:27 am
by bill lumberg
I don’t think a new caliper is necessary.
As for the mirrors and dash, I’ve already had all that stuff apart. Everything was fine, except two screws were missing from the dash.
I have new mirror extensions arriving Friday. Tried to get by without them, but they are a game changer.
Since I’ve switched to running 1” riser blocks on the 2022, rather than a helibridge, I can’t use my barkbuster storm handguards. I’m certainly going to miss them when it gets cold.
raYzerman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:42 pm
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:36 pm
bill lumberg wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:18 pm
Put new tires on. It was not pleasant.
Of note- the top left front caliper bolt was galled beyond belief for a ‘22.
I noticed one bolt from the front fender so loose it was in danger of falling out. The other three were loose as well, just not visibly so.
The 24 hour recheck revealed that I failed to retighten the rear axle pinch bolt.
It a good thing that you did your own work and found those things. Doing your own work, best practice from someone who knows diddly -0 try to do things in the same order and same way every time. It becomes muscle memory. 2nd- don't be doing stuff last minute before your two week trip or IBR run.
Complain to your dealer..... his "tech" installed all that stuff when they got the bike out of the crate... and the windshield, mirrors and dash trim. Betcha your mirror nuts are loose (under the dash trim).
Is the galling bad enough to need a new caliper?
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:29 am
by Toter
bill lumberg wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:27 am
I don’t think a new caliper is necessary.
As for the mirrors and dash, I’ve already had all that stuff apart. Everything was fine, except two screws were missing from the dash.
I have new mirror extensions arriving Friday. Tried to get by without them, but they are a game changer.
Since I’ve switched to running 1” riser blocks on the 2022, rather than a helibridge, I can’t use my barkbuster storm handguards. I’m certainly going to miss them when it gets cold.
raYzerman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:42 pm
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:36 pm
It a good thing that you did your own work and found those things. Doing your own work, best practice from someone who knows diddly -0 try to do things in the same order and same way every time. It becomes muscle memory. 2nd- don't be doing stuff last minute before your two week trip or IBR run.
Complain to your dealer..... his "tech" installed all that stuff when they got the bike out of the crate... and the windshield, mirrors and dash trim. Betcha your mirror nuts are loose (under the dash trim).
Is the galling bad enough to need a new caliper?
Lee,
Are the Vstrom hand guards not compatible with the new bikes? Mine work nicely on my 15. They are not protective like the Barkbusters, but, that was not the goal for a street bike. I think mine are 14-16 Vstrom guards. I do have a Helibridge though.
Ed
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:54 pm
by fontanaman
Tomorrow the FJR is getting a full tank of non ethanol fuel and a bath. Then it goes night night for the winter.
For those of you who don't read the What I did to my dual sport today, please read this.
Recently I called Procycle and talked with Mike. I decided to make the DR more useful so I ordered a 19" wheel and a 17" wheel which will be shod with Shinko 705's a 70/30 tire. Also ordered the Cogent DDC drop in front fork cartridge. The plan is to ride the DR on the rough county roads I ride rather than the FJR as the DR well suited for these roads but not with knobby tires. The FJR just isn't at home and not in is element on rough roads south of Spokane.
Three days ago the wheels arrive so I mounted them, I mean I put them on the bike.
So now I have 400 miles on DR with the new rims / tires. It is simply fantastic. I love this set up for it's intended purpose. I rode 220 miles today and came home feeling refreshed and ready for more. The weight reduction accounts for this. The DR weighs 360 and with my ass it still weighs less than the FJR. It handles very well and this upgrade is exceeding my expectations. Just wow. Plus I have room for my legs and my hips didn't ache today as they often do in the more compact FJR cockpit.
So with what time I have left this year I will be riding the DR. A big smile was on my face today.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:35 pm
by extrememarine
Unpacked the bike from my tech day trip.
Reset tank bag and collateral gear required for upcoming RTE at casa de doublewide - aka Wheaton's Group Ride and Cookout. 1500 miles in three days should be a good way to wrap up the season...
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:10 pm
by bungie4
I'm doing the same as fontanaman. I'm going to siphon the year old treated gas out and throw it in Lines Toyota. Then refill with treated Shell super. The battery will get removed, then it will get shoved back to the back of the shed to make room for the snow blower.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:55 am
by FJRoss
bungie4 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:10 pm
I'm doing the same as fontanaman. I'm going to siphon the year old treated gas out and throw it in Lines Toyota. Then refill with treated Shell super. The battery will get removed, then it will get shoved back to the back of the shed to make room for the snow blower.
I'm hoping for another six weeks before I have to do that.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:27 am
by bungie4
FJRoss wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:55 am
bungie4 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:10 pm
I'm doing the same as fontanaman. I'm going to siphon the year old treated gas out and throw it in Lines Toyota. Then refill with treated Shell super. The battery will get removed, then it will get shoved back to the back of the shed to make room for the snow blower.
I'm hoping for another six weeks before I have to do that.
No big deal. I have 0 miles on for the season. But the stupid thing still cost me a full tank of fresh gas.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:53 pm
by Blueridgerider
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:52 pm
by bungie4
I like that angle.
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:27 pm
by Spininprop
Found one of the push pins on the right trim that you remove to install battery missing. So I'm sure the dealer forgot it. I had some and installed. I went through checking for others and torque.
bill lumberg wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:27 am
I don’t think a new caliper is necessary.
As for the mirrors and dash, I’ve already had all that stuff apart. Everything was fine, except two screws were missing from the dash.
I have new mirror extensions arriving Friday. Tried to get by without them, but they are a game changer.
Since I’ve switched to running 1” riser blocks on the 2022, rather than a helibridge, I can’t use my barkbuster storm handguards. I’m certainly going to miss them when it gets cold.
raYzerman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:42 pm
wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:36 pm
It a good thing that you did your own work and found those things. Doing your own work, best practice from someone who knows diddly -0 try to do things in the same order and same way every time. It becomes muscle memory. 2nd- don't be doing stuff last minute before your two week trip or IBR run.
Complain to your dealer..... his "tech" installed all that stuff when they got the bike out of the crate... and the windshield, mirrors and dash trim. Betcha your mirror nuts are loose (under the dash trim).
Is the galling bad enough to need a new caliper?
Re: What did you do to your FJR today?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:13 pm
by wheatonFJR
extrememarine wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:35 pm
Unpacked the bike from my tech day trip.
Reset tank bag and collateral gear required for upcoming RTE at casa de doublewide - aka Wheaton's Group Ride and Cookout. 1500 miles in three days should be a good way to wrap up the season...
Looking forward to this!
Are you bringing that slacker Joe with you? He never shows.
