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Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:30 am
by clocklaw
Name Etc. wrote:I maybe wasn't clear. I was doing carb sync. 1 2 3 all normal. 4 like 12 cm
Okay....I continue to be confused...you said you lost "compression" in #4.....anyone would think that was in reference to cylinder compression. Are you actually trying to say that you have lost vacuum in the #4 throttle body?

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:53 am
by ionbeam
clocklaw wrote:
Name Etc. wrote:I maybe wasn't clear. I was doing carb sync. 1 2 3 all normal. 4 like 12 cm
Okay....I continue to be confused...you said you lost "compression" in #4.....anyone would think that was in reference to cylinder compression. Are you actually trying to say that you have lost vacuum in the #4 throttle body?
Ya, that kinda threw me a curve too. Time to check the bands on the #4 intake boot or better, do a leak test. If that is good it's time to check the bleed screw and the 'never touch' throttle screw with paint to indicate if it has been moved. I won't go farther because you really want to have found the problem by now and don't want to think about anything beyond this.

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:06 am
by Name Etc.
true story. My problem is low vacuum on #4 intake. I know that it can be low compression but, I did have massive intake leak at the boot. I am hoping it just fixes the problem. you can't just tighten the bands because they are tight all the way from factory. against a spacer. so I ordered new boots. Those Never Touch screws. I badly wanna feck with them. ;)

The low compression was just a MIND PANIC.

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:48 pm
by silverback
Low vacuum on one cylinder could be anything. If it was a Chevy 305 I'd immediately say its a flat cam lobe. However, I have not heard of a Yamaha that has soft cams to date. I bet its a leak post stream to the vacuum tap. You said you have the air system blocked off, check the gaskets there. Also a sniff of carb spray at suspect points can indicate a vacuum leak by a chance in engine speed. There are also electronic stethoscopes that can make a small vacuum leak sound like an F5 tornado, but they are about $100.

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Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:37 pm
by Name Etc.
silverback wrote:Low vacuum on one cylinder could be anything. If it was a Chevy 305 I'd immediately say its a flat cam lobe. However, I have not heard of a Yamaha that has soft cams to date. I bet its a leak post stream to the vacuum tap. You said you have the air system blocked off, check the gaskets there. Also a sniff of carb spray at suspect points can indicate a vacuum leak by a chance in engine speed. There are also electronic stethoscopes that can make a small vacuum leak sound like an F5 tornado, but they are about $100.

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This is indeed How I KNOW it has a vacuum leak between the TB and the motor. I sprayed the boots and the motor died. not just slow down. died. I am just panicky about the big things. I actually woke up in the middle of the night and said "shit, what if its compression?" My wife said What? I'm like "Oh crap, Nothing"... then I laid there awake for a couple hours.

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:42 pm
by clocklaw
Name Etc. wrote:This is indeed How I KNOW it has a vacuum leak between the TB and the motor. I sprayed the boots and the motor died. not just slow down. died. I am just panicky about the big things. I actually woke up in the middle of the night and said "shit, what if its compression?" My wife said What? I'm like "Oh crap, Nothing"... then I laid there awake for a couple hours.
Those damn biodiesel Yamaha's can be flaky sometimes!

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:50 pm
by Name Etc.
clocklaw wrote:
Name Etc. wrote:This is indeed How I KNOW it has a vacuum leak between the TB and the motor. I sprayed the boots and the motor died. not just slow down. died. I am just panicky about the big things. I actually woke up in the middle of the night and said "shit, what if its compression?" My wife said What? I'm like "Oh crap, Nothing"... then I laid there awake for a couple hours.
Those damn biodiesel Yamaha's can be flaky sometimes!
Maybe it is my Method of Biodiesel.... It is way up on those damn shelves.

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:19 pm
by clocklaw
Name Etc. wrote:Maybe it is my Method of Biodiesel.... It is way up on those damn shelves.
That could be it....ya freak! :oops:

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:56 pm
by Name Etc.
clocklaw wrote:
Name Etc. wrote:Maybe it is my Method of Biodiesel.... It is way up on those damn shelves.
That could be it....ya freak! :oops:
ha! If only everyone knew about my Biodiesel...

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:35 pm
by Name Etc.
got half of the boots today. If anyone is Curious... The new boots are soft pliable Rubber the old ones are very hard and stiff. This is a problem. I am guessing this happens to all of them given enough miles and heat cycles.

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:23 pm
by Name Etc.
Got all my parts, installed them several times(just be careful where all the connectors fall to is all I'm saying) for those of you curious types. New boots fixed my problem and she runs great. Old boots were hard. New boots where so pliable and thicker it was very hard to squeeze everything back into the rubber holes. I'm guessing the massive air leak was causing my hard acceleration ping as well. Also cleaning the TB fixed the sticking throttle as well. I recommend doing this if you keep your bike a long time. JMHO also the air box is the easy part. ;)

Re: Airbox Removal

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:20 am
by Name Etc.
I think the slow change in how the bike runs snuck up on me. Man she is smooth.... Hasn't felt like this in years I just forgot.