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Toter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:48 pm

Festus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:09 am Post some photos of the tires, it would be interesting to see the wear. I'll post mine next time I can grab a couple of photos. I'm a big engine brake guy too. Trying to change that, but it's a slow process to retrain myself.

What's wrong with engine braking? Is it supposed to be better to brake more heavily to set corner entry speed, or engine brake? What do the track day instructors teach? To me, engine braking is more confidence inspiring. But, I'm slow as F#$k!

As a pedestrian on a college campus I noticed sportbike squids tended to skirp their tires on every up/down shift. Can't help think that contributes to tire wear.

As for myself, very careful with the clutch on up and down shifts. Get 10,000 miles out of PR4GTs and 9,000 on the two RS3 rears I have used.

Toter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:48 pm What's wrong with engine braking? Is it supposed to be better to brake more heavily to set corner entry speed, or engine brake? What do the track day instructors teach? To me, engine braking is more confidence inspiring. But, I'm slow as F#$k!

Nothing, from my standpoint, since I do it most of the time Just less wear on your engine if you are using brakes instead of engine and gearbox to scrub speed. Not that it matters on the FJR much since it's pretty bulletproof.

Doesn't really matter to me, I'm not racing anyone or getting lap times on the street. My ego doesn't require me to be first anywhere

I got 7700 out of the Dunlop RS4 rear mostly on trip riding to BC, California and Yellowstone/Beartooth Pass. I still have the RS4 on the front. Amazing a front tire outlasts a rear on the FJR. A new combination might be an RS4 front and a PR4 GT rear. The Dunlops wear evenly aka no flat spot.

This week I was looking at Triumph Tiger 1200 series this week just for fun. According to the posts on Triumph forums the camshaft has pitting, corrosion and premature wear trouble for 2022 models and on.

I'm a big engine braker as well. I never got more than 6K on any set of tires on my '14 FJR. PR4GT was the best longevity for me, and that entire tire was exclusively run in Touring Mode.

If I run "street" tires on my GSA I feel lucky to get 5K, the "Hard as a rock" Dunlop TrailMax Missions last between 12K and 17K. The last set being the worst at 12K but they followed Fontanaman through NORCAL and I saw his brake lights frequently on some of the goat trails Ms "T" had mapped out for us. They did EOM and then another trip to NORCAL with Scott.
I have to think that the slipper clutch helps with rear tire wear while engine braking as does the ESA on my GSA, never hear any "chips" while downshifting.

PR4 is my benchmark tire, softer compound and confidence inspiring... high mileage, I don't think so... currently running a Metz ME01 on the rear and liking it. I'm not into the big longevity tires, I'd rather have a little more grip.

bigjohnsd wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:17 am "Hard as a rock" Dunlop TrailMax Missions last between 12K and 17K. The last set being the worst at 12K but they followed Fontanaman through NORCAL and I saw his brake lights frequently on some of the goat trails Ms "T" had mapped out for us.

Using Fontanaman as an example of keeping up with somebody is poor example. He is the slowest person on this forum. SkooterG once called Fontanaman a pussy because Fontanaman refuses to ride 85 on the Montana interstate highways.

Fontanaman rides his own ride.

I've been working on defarkeling my old FJR for commuter duties... then I'll begin farkeling my new FJR for LD duties.

fontanaman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:03 pm

bigjohnsd wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:17 am "Hard as a rock" Dunlop TrailMax Missions last between 12K and 17K. The last set being the worst at 12K but they followed Fontanaman through NORCAL and I saw his brake lights frequently on some of the goat trails Ms "T" had mapped out for us.

Using Fontanaman as an example of keeping up with somebody is poor example. He is the slowest person on this forum. SkooterG once called Fontanaman a pussy because Fontanaman refuses to ride 85 on the Montana interstate highways.

Fontanaman rides his own ride.

I call BS. You did a pretty good job from Ukiah to Mendocino and again later in the trip as well. Nothing wrong with "rides his own ride" !
I've been doing it every since I first tried to follow Petey, Marty, Fester and others at the first event I ever attended in Sparks NV back in '14.

Sounds like I need to ride with Fontanaman.

First FJR outing I went on was the West Virginia ramble. Showed up on the first 06 they've seen, and proceeded to fall over when my kickstand popped back up. Asked me to ride sweep and I followed a guy from Long Island that was seeing his first twisties. Finally told him would stop at a stop sign and wait for him.

Used to ride with the same group every year and be slow the first day until I knocked the rust off. "Every year it's the same thing and the next day you pass us". Ride in your comfort zone.

I remember that day.

Festus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:09 am Post some photos of the tires, it would be interesting to see the wear. ...

Upon closer inspection, I've still got a little bit of tread left. Maybe one or two more day trips. The rear is down to the wear bars and the "center stripe" is showing:



The front might have a bit more, but the important part is that baby is still perfectly round.



So I'll ride 'em down and see what the mileage ends up being. I also remembrered that I've got 2 sets of RS3 take offs. The best pair has about 1,500-2,000 miles left on them. I'll throw those on to ride through the winter/early spring, and then put the new RS4s on before the next larger trip.

In the interests of The Science I have test piloted the tars past the wear bars. On dry days with clean roads it generally performs well until you see the glint of steel...though I rarely went that far. It is puzzling and a bit disconcerting though when you go through the curves on, say Wayah Road, and your front tar drops suddenly and momentarily midcurve. Use of the Nomar allowed resetting of the test process. No charge for The Science data point.

wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:44 am In the interests of The Science I have test piloted the tars past the wear bars. On dry days with clean roads it generally performs well until you see the glint of steel...though I rarely went that far. It is puzzling and a bit disconcerting though when you go through the curves on, say Wayah Road, and your front tar drops suddenly and momentarily midcurve. Use of the Nomar allowed resetting of the test process. No charge for The Science data point.

They are perishable items, Wheatie. You do understand that right? You don't wait until the toilet paper is out before you sit down, do you? No, you replace it because it's perishable. Not replenishing either prior to use ends up the same

Festus wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:47 am

wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:44 am In the interests of The Science I have test piloted the tars past the wear bars. On dry days with clean roads it generally performs well until you see the glint of steel...though I rarely went that far. It is puzzling and a bit disconcerting though when you go through the curves on, say Wayah Road, and your front tar drops suddenly and momentarily midcurve. Use of the Nomar allowed resetting of the test process. No charge for The Science data point.

They are perishable items, Wheatie. You do understand that right? You don't wait until the toilet paper is out before you sit down, do you? No, you replace it because it's perishable. Not replenishing either prior to use ends up the same

Silly. We have spare rolls in a nice decorative container within arm's reach. I don't replace until the very last little sheet has been employed. Like I should have disclaimed, don't do this at home boyz and girls...this was purely for The Science.

That run of experiments has been cancelled. Lol

Wait, is Festus replacing his toilet paper roll with 10% of the paper still wound around the cardboard tube? I use the TP till the cardboard shows, just like I use my tires till the cords show.

gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:47 pm Wait, is Festus replacing his toilet paper roll with 10% of the paper still wound around the cardboard tube? I use the TP till the cardboard shows, just like I use my tires till the cords show.

Festus doesn't risk the mistake in not changing things out soon enough

Festus wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:54 pm

gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:47 pm Wait, is Festus replacing his toilet paper roll with 10% of the paper still wound around the cardboard tube? I use the TP till the cardboard shows, just like I use my tires till the cords show.

Festus doesn't risk the mistake in not changing things out soon enough

"Oh, the humanity!"

Edit: I did nothing to my FJR today.

I presume that the Chuckster rode his.

wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:34 pm

Festus wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:54 pm

gixxerjasen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:47 pm Wait, is Festus replacing his toilet paper roll with 10% of the paper still wound around the cardboard tube? I use the TP till the cardboard shows, just like I use my tires till the cords show.

Festus doesn't risk the mistake in not changing things out soon enough

"Oh, the humanity!"

Edit: I did nothing to my FJR today.

I presume that the Chuckster rode his.

I did not ride yesterday. We had some snow and freezing rain but thankfully it didn't last. I did ride today as it had warmed up considerably. 54 degrees coming home from work this afternoon.