extrememarine wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:23 am
... Granted, in the summer, I will cook behind that shield when the temp is over 80-85. It is a perfect spring / fall / winter shield for me.
If i swap to an OEM shield, I get no similar pocket of air, and all audio (music, phone) suffers significantly.
That "80-85" can cover (literally) 8-9 months of the year for me.
I think there is something to this - many of us are using the windscreen to take care of a big part of this dilemma.
"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy living. Or get busy dying."
- Andy Dufresne, Shawshank Redemption
Although it would be awesome to have conversations at an FJR pace on the highway, it seems that I like the screen down and the wind noise is too much. It works well in the mountains at the lowered speed limits and pace if I can keep Lumberg and HMFIC in visual range. When all else fails, I just use the good old fashioned hand signals, like the BIRD, Point at my Crotch, Shit on the road, pass and pull off the road to converse if comms are lost. I generally don't listen to music, though I know most others do. I will make an exception next month on the way out to CO to make fun of Marty...but otherwise it is the siren song of 1298cc, visual of rural life, and my thoughts and voices in my head...and occasionally the sound of someone calling me a jackass.
I wonder how well they stay in when donning a helmet? Just looking at the pictures, it would appear that these stick out of the ear a tad more than my shure wired buds. My guess is that extra space is for the battery. Also wonder how they sound? Finally - if they have 2 B/T channels, does that mean that I could pair them to ... say.... the phone (which would also be connected to the GPS, radar, etc) and also the Sena? So I could use the B/T ear buds when I want music, and like my wired ear buds, if my ears get sore, switch to ear plugs and use the sena in helmet speakers for radar, GPS, and B/T?
Wowser....
"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy living. Or get busy dying."
- Andy Dufresne, Shawshank Redemption
Auburn wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:08 am
Because the new goldwings are Bluetooth to get the sound from the bike, we tried Sena S50 and Cardo Bold PacTalk. Both sucked badly. The noise cancelling was terrible.
Then we Tried the J&M BT04 because their wired system for goldwings was really good. The sound quality and noise cancelling are the best by far of any I tried. I can make phone calls and the other end can't tell I am on a bike doing 90 mph. They have since put out the BT05 headset https://jmcorp.com/Bluetooth-Headsets_c_12.html which is not compatible with the 2018+ goldwings, so I have not tried them. They come with speakers that you can fit into the helmet, and you can still use your Sure speakers plugging into the headset. I don't know if the BT05 does mesh or other stuff with other riders. We needed them to talk with each other and to communicate with the wing.
The battery life is an issue for us since we ride more than 8 hours. I plug the power cable into a battery pack that is in my inside pocket in my riding suit.
I do have the new yet to be announced BT06 on order when they get here later this spring as they will be compatible with the new wings. I am getting them as back up. Currently they are $139.99 with this discount code 125p52169 you get $35 off.
J&M makes high quality stuff - and it last. I should give them a look. With your BT04 - can you pair with SENA and/or Cardo riders?
You can....kinda. I had the BT04 and we successfully paired with the Sena 30K over Bluetooth. But the one of us had to give up music every time the voice channel was open. But I also believe the 30K might not have allowed music when Bluetooth intercom was connected even to another 30K. So that may be a limitation of the 30K or the J&M. It's been a while so I can't remember 100%. But I do remember that the experience was not great or adequate.
The J&M sound quality is their real selling point, but they are behind the ball on functionality. If I was riding solo, I would have stuck with the BT04. But my experience with the Sena Mesh has been extremely positive. It just works. One option, and I don't know how well it would work with the BT04, would be this Sena Mesh adapter. It doesn't help you with Cardo, but mixing Cardo and Sena has difficulty anyway.
I still have my BT-04 and access to a 30K. I could play around with those and my 50 to see what it does if you would like.
extrememarine wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:23 am
If i swap to an OEM shield, I get no similar pocket of air, and all audio (music, phone) suffers significantly.
This, definitely. I use a big Cee Bailey on both bikes. I despise being hammered by the wind all day and the noise it creates.
Tim - thanks for the reply and the insight. Don't go through any trouble on my part for now. I haven't fixated (and obsessed, which is what I do) on the holy grail yet. For now, I'd rather just listen (read) what others have to say.
"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy living. Or get busy dying."
- Andy Dufresne, Shawshank Redemption
Reduce your connections?? Load your MP3's on the GPS SD card and use the GPS as your player, and GPS. Phone to the second BT channel or just also paired to the GPS.
For comm, if you have mesh Cardo or Sena, you can hook up with mesh only within your particular brand. Crossbrand must be done bluetooth, and it's not a good option.
Keep yer stick on the ice........... (Red Green)
Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can sure muffle the sound.
raYzerman wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:25 pm
Reduce your connections?? Load your MP3's on the GPS SD card and use the GPS as your player, and GPS. Phone to the second BT channel or just also paired to the GPS.
For comm, if you have mesh Cardo or Sena, you can hook up with mesh only within your particular brand. Crossbrand must be done bluetooth, and it's not a good option.
I prefer having a separate mp3 player. Mine is an older one so I still have FM radio. I still like listening to local traffic and weather in the morning without the glare of a tv. I can take my mp3 on the balcony or to the motel coffee pot with no trouble.
I put my music directly on my Zumo XT. I attach my phone (via Bluetooth) to the Zumo. The XT requires you to run a Garmin app on your phone which gives you traffic and weather. I have no problems with this setup. I get music, audible GPS directions, traffic info and can make and take phone calls.
**IMPORT NOTE** I do not pair my helmet with other riders. Since I haven't even tried to pair with other riders I can't tell you if this setup will or won't work when adding that into the mix.
Cav47 and wheatonFJR loved this
"That feeling is your taint telling you, 'this is a bad idea...'" - extrememarine
Thing I hate about Bluetooth is in how difficult it is to know what path music flows from phone to headset. Nasty distorted music started arriving in my Packtalk Bold. Found I could turn the volume down on the Garmin proving the music was going from iPhone to 595 to Packtalk. Lowering to 85-90% reduced the distortion but was no longer loud enough. Ultimately disabled phone handling on the Garmin, disabled audible guidance. Forced iPhone to connect music direct to Packtalk. Much better.
One thing I have finally found is in the Apple Music app that it displays just above the volume bar the name of the Bluetooth device it is playing to. And that one can change that device from there.
Texts still arrive on the Garmin, as does incoming call notifications. But am having trouble getting the iPhone to ring in my Packtalk headset. Carry the iPhone in chest pocket so I sometimes hear it or feel it vibrate.
I'm still running the old Starcom Advanced wired system and it works great. I can talk to other riders if they have a 2-way radio., and it also works great and goes further than BT does. Problem is no one has 2-way radio anymore, but the rest work fine.
