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Another recall...
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:26 pm
by Hack
In my mailbox today...
Something about reprogramming the ecu...
20 min.
Hopefully I can just make an appointment in the spring, ride in and wait for it
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:59 am
by danh600
Hack wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:26 pm
In my mailbox today...
Something about reprogramming the ecu...
20 min.
Hopefully I can just make an appointment in the spring, ride in and wait for it
What years?
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:29 am
by bill lumberg
It’s only for bikes that had the trans recall, and associated flash. No need for it, but some have complained about not being able to abuse their clutch in first and second. This re-reflash appears to be intended to decrease the restriction a little bit. Bulletin M2021-010R.
You’d never encounter the (trans recall reflash) restriction in normal use, no matter how spirited your riding. There is no change to the rpm limit with the clutch pulled in or with the clutch lever out.
It is only when you rev high and barely let the clutch out (on first or second gear) that the limiter kicks in. It’s not anything that limits speed or acceleration if you’re doing it correctly. The bike still revs to redline with the clutch in or clutch out. I’m surprised they’re changing it. I don’t think Yamaha anticipated that there were riders out there for whom hammering the throttle and barely feathering the clutch was a go-to riding style. Big Daddy Don Garlitz would be proud..
That said- folks that rode in a manner that caused them to trigger the new limit had a right to be frustrated- they wanted a bike that felt like it did before the recall.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:21 am
by N4HHE
I'm still waiting on the dealer to recover from the employment situation to perform my trans-ectomy.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:01 am
by raYzerman
I've read all the "complaints" about the reflash that was part of the tranny recall... the new reflash will "improve" what's being complained about.....
I have another answer.... it all depends on that clutch switch to know if it's in or out..... one could disable the clutch switch, but that has consequences... no more 100 rpm idle increase (hill assist) at takeoff, no more disengaging cruise with the clutch switch, and no more starting while in gear (e.g., if you happened to stall it).
I'd still like to ride one to understand it more but Hack thinks I drink too much coffee and comes over in his car.......
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:13 am
by Hack
raYzerman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:01 am
I'd still like to ride one to understand it more but Hack thinks I drink too much coffee and comes over in his car.......
I'm afraid if we let you back on an FJR... I'll never see it again... You'll ride off over the horizon and disappear
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:28 pm
by RacinRay
bill lumberg wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:29 am
It’s only for bikes that had the trans recall, and associated flash. No need for it, but some have complained about not being able to abuse their clutch in first and second. This re-reflash appears to be intended to decrease the restriction a little bit. Bulletin M2021-010R.
You’d never encounter the (trans recall reflash) restriction in normal use, no matter how spirited your riding. There is no change to the rpm limit with the clutch pulled in or with the clutch lever out.
It is only when you rev high and barely let the clutch out (on first or second gear) that the limiter kicks in. It’s not anything that limits speed or acceleration if you’re doing it correctly. The bike still revs to redline with the clutch in or clutch out. I’m surprised they’re changing it. I don’t think Yamaha anticipated that there were riders out there for whom hammering the throttle and barely feathering the clutch was a go-to riding style. Big Daddy Don Garlitz would be proud..
That said- folks that rode in a manner that caused them to trigger the new limit had a right to be frustrated- they wanted a bike that felt like it did before the recall.
Well, apparently there were enough owners who disagreed with you to get Yamaha to correct their error. I for one, immediately noticed the issue with the rev limiter and am glad they are fixing it.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:33 pm
by wheatonFJR
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:46 pm
by N4HHE
Got my ECU reflash recall letter today.
Still waiting on the dealer to get a 2nd mechanic so he can afford to take on 14-18 hour jobs such my a transmission transplant.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:19 am
by Travlr_45
I had this recall preformed yesterday, so far as I can tell there’s no difference in performance. I will add this, should these recalls persist this fjr will magically transform into a ninja 1000. With yamahas technology and experience in building motorsports I don’t see any excuse for for it. Just my .02
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:36 am
by CollingsBob
I rode 2,100 km to a dealer in Hamilton to get the first two, necessary recalls done because neither of the dealers in Winnipeg would do the work. I’ll skip this recall.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:41 am
by raYzerman
I'd get the latest reflash recall if it were me.... raises the first rev limiter in the lower gears (was ~3500 rpm) to 6000 rpm. That should make all those who complained happier.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:24 pm
by Canadian FJR
No letter yet ??
Canadian FJR
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:10 pm
by Festus
Travlr_45 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:19 am
With yamahas technology and experience in building motorsports I don’t see any excuse for for it. Just my .02
There's a good reason you don't screw with things that work. Yamaha seemed to forget that.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:26 pm
by rbentnail
Festus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:10 pm
There's a good reason you don't screw with things that work. Yamaha seemed to forget that.
Of course there is. It's the whiney ones
"We want a 6th gear." "We want a turn signal canceler." "We want LED lights." etc.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:44 am
by mcatrophy
rbentnail wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:26 pm
... "We want LED lights." ...
That one for me was very worthwhile.
Test of LED lights against garage door, dipped and main:
(Click on image for larger view)
They enabled me to ride an unknown, narrow, unlit, winding country road in pitch darkness at near-enough daylight speeds.
One of the few occasions when I've been positively frightened when riding was on a previous FJR with incandescent lights. It was under similar road conditions, crawling at 30, unable to see where the road edges were, with trees, rocks, ditches, peat bogs, rock faces, a river and/or drops awaiting any off-tarmac excursions.
Image of a typical section of this road (courtesy of Google Maps):
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:49 am
by wheatonFJR
You're right. Those lights are awesome. That looks positively like daylight!
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:13 am
by Travlr_45
Have mine scheduled for it’s 26.5K valve inspection next week. Not taking any chances with Yamaha arguing over a warranty issue, especially in lieu of the 2nd gear recall issue as well as the extended warranty I have. On this particular machine it’s gonna go by the book.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:02 pm
by FjrjrF
Bill, you might consider this flash update, but, if your not having issues then let it alone. I tend to wonder if they found a bug in the software loader software or in the ecu not getting fully erased before the re-program. I only think that because some out there had horrible performance after the reprogramming, and with no recourse, and a majority reprogramming didn't have any issues afterwards. Just my .02 I have the 'too-fast for me' red, so this doesn't affect me, just a consideration.
bill lumberg wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:29 am
It’s only for bikes that had the trans recall, and associated flash. No need for it, but some have complained about not being able to abuse their clutch in first and second. This re-reflash appears to be intended to decrease the restriction a little bit. Bulletin M2021-010R.
Re: Another recall...
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:52 pm
by Bugs
I apparently dipped into the 2nd-gear-recall rev-limiter a few days ago on my '18 FJR.
I rode up to the corner of the 4-lane highway fronting my subdivision, preparing to turn right. I looked left and saw that the traffic light about 100 yards away had just turned green, releasing a long line of cars in my direction. Wanting to get out ahead of the crowd, I put the spurs to it. It seems I reverted to habits ingrained from a decade of riding a Yamaha R6, where a quick launch requires high revs and a briefly slipping clutch to avoid bogging the engine.
On the FJR, this technique launched me only the first few feet, where the engine lost power and left me accelerating - very slowly - directly in the path of quickly approaching traffic. I let the clutch fully release, pinned the throttle and was off like a shot. For a few moments there, it had been alarming, but with the proper skill (finally) applied, it all worked out. I love low-end torque!
